deefenning. happy easter, wherever you are, general. >> i'm bob beckle, along with andrea tantaros, eric boling, and it's 5:00 in new york city, this is the "the five." >> today over 2 billion christians around the world are marking good friday. the pope he will he commemorates the cruise i -- cruise --

crucixtion of christ. a day that should be dedicated to honoring christ's ultimate sacrifice has been marred as christians are under attack by islamic radicals. >> as we celebrate east esher, let's think about those unable to do so. the christians around the world who are abused, even murdered for the faith they follow. religious freedom is an absolute fundamental human right. britain is committed to protecting and promoting that right by standing up for christians and other minorities at home and abroad. >> it's amazing to me, this is the first leader of a country that i can remember that has spoken about this. the silence from obama and the white house is amazing. i give cameron a lot of credit for doing it.

snoebls will talk about it. >> right. because it's politically incorrect to talk about it here, president obama doesn't want to do that. for muslims in egypt to atheists right here, we're under full frontal assault. thank god david cameron has done it. president obama -- what's in it politically for him to do it though. >> politically, it would be a good time to do it because he's been too soft on muslims. >> wouldn't it look like he flip lopped on the issue? . >> right. but i think it would be a good idea for him to do it. the faith, it used to be the middle east had 28% population was christian, 20 years ago now it's 10% and it's falling lower every day as christians flee or get killed. isn't it time for somebody to

stand up and say something about it besides this cameron? >> absolutely. he's also seeing a lot of rioting in london. the tension between the catholics and christians in england and the muslims has really started to boil over. the timing is perfect. the last acceptable form of discrimination in the world now is really christians. they are persecuting them in egypt. we talk about this on this show, and i really think that it's up to the united states to speak out and lead and i don't know why the president doesn't just not stand up for christians, but he goes out of his way to specifically say to the people that are committing these atrocious attacks that we are not at war with radical islam. that we have a shared history of tolerance, when it has been anything but and to this day christians are being murdered. i don't understand why he doesn't use his bully pulpit to

speak up more for something that's pretty indefensible. >> a lot of these european countries have ain't flux of -- an influx of muslims. particularly in france and england. cameron clearly had enough to do it. >> he had enough guts. this requires american leadership. you look at these stories, you talk about these nigerian school girls being abducted. the rate of abduction of christian girls going up. i see applications in this -- politicians in the country talking about a war on women. there is a war on christian women in these countries. president obama is the leader of the free world. he needs to take a leadership position on this, but good for cameron but the united states should join with him. >> dana, i find it also -- since we don't have a recognized leader of the christians like

billy graham anymore in the united states, nobody really stands out in that position, but i haven't heard many church leaders speak out about this? >> i'm not going to criticize president obama as much on this in particular thing. i do wish that emed speak up liberty -- a little bit more and i also have to remember where this is happening, most of america says we don't have a role in the world. they don't want us to get involved. i have a different position on that from a foreign policy standpoint and i think that extends to religion as well. when it comes to radical islam. i do think we are at war with raid i kal islam. president obama and others have tried to make a distinction between the radicals and the extremists versus a broader religious base. the war we are in is about ie deology, and extremists.

the brainwashing is a serious problem and i think that someplace where we could help. the last thing i would say is -- i don't think that president obama could actually make a change on this and actually have an impact. i think there is actually only one person right now on the planet who could do that and it's pope francis, and i think that if he -- i wonder today, could he call a world leader summit and bring some of the major imams together, along with christians and budists or maybe the dally llama. >> as uniting as he is, you would have to invite the rabbis, you have to invite the israelis, the jewish faith. they won't meet because the islamists don't think they should be open the face of the

earth. we're at war at islam. this is one of their battle fields. they are doing this because they know this hurts us quite a bit. it hurts west, christians, and those are one of -- two of the their biggest targets. >> one of the things about this whole issue, i this think this small show here has done more on this issue than any other journalistic outlet. when obama tries to make adisti radical and all the rest of the muslim faith of the. the problem i have is the rest don't say anything. i have yet to hear a leader from a muslim country or cleric or imam to stand up and say something. >> a number were asked if terrorist attack were justified, a quarter of them said yes.

that was so shocking is that they actually agreed that there are some instances where people should or could be killed which goes to your point. why don't they speak up? people wonder why aren't more people adamant that these attack need to stop? i wish it were as easy as a summit, but when you take time to study the history of islam which i've done to make sure i get my facts right, they have been operating this way for hundreds of years. a summit won't change it. a press release won't change it. the only thing that will change it is if we eradicate the radicals by taking basically a 2 by 4 over their head which is the only thing they understand. >> i'm not a theologist, but mus limbs want to change the war that we are in now. in christianity, we look for another spirit and follow jesus christ. >> they could look at the

history, the totality of the history of christianity and say that wasn't all the case as well. and also on the point about cameron and the uk say something, it was on this show within the last year that actually it was prince charles who gave a statement and it was really interesting, where did that come from, why is prince charles doing -- maybe there is something in the uk we should maybe follow their lead. if they want to take the lead on it, perhaps we should get behind and try to drive behind i am. i wonder i wonder if president obama came out with a statement, though, if that would affect the media would address the story. if they would be inspired to be a little bit more truthful in terms of the stats that andrea is talking about. if the president led on this iss issue, they would be very serious about what they choose

and choose not to cover. >> there's also the islamist view, anyone who was an islamist and turned as someone who is worse than the infidel. the apposite is worse than someone who turned. president obama, he went to -- he's a christian. i'm not sure that president obama coming out and bashing is i -- radical islamists. they want to kill the people who turned on islam more than they want to kill people who were never islamist to begin with and it will never stop until we're all ruled by muslims. >> maybe some people are too afraid. let's go back to pope francis. probably the most serious christian leader -- he's got a lot of exposure, and yet, i asked him to look into what he said about the persecution about christians.

for get his summit. he made a couple of vague references. he didn't come out directly and take it on. i'm wondering why that is. >> i have no idea. right now he's trying to be and being a great job of being the inclusive propose. he's casting a wide net and bringing a lot of people into the church. he's got a lot on his plate. the same-sex marriage stuff, there are a lot of people pushing allowing priests to get married. the reason why the media doesn't cover this stuff, we do, but in general, the media, there's two things that don't rate very well, religion and religion outside of this country. once you start that, the audience eyes kind of glaze over. you don't rate. we do, to our producer's credit. we're doing this type of discussion in an a block. most shows wouldn't do that. >> audience, you proved them

wrong about that, right? let's get huge numbers on that tonight. next on "the five" what was president obama's toughest interview when he was running for re-election. ed henry is in town and in the house. he will be here. we're going to talk to him about the president's relationship with the press and more. coming up.

during his re-election complain, president obama did interviews with matt laur, diane sawyer, among others which was the toughest. here's jay carney on that? >> i think if you look at 2012 the series of interviews he gave, the probably the toughest interview he had was jon stewart, probably the most challenging interview he had was with the anchor of "the daily show." >> here's a difference between you and i.

i'm a kmeedian first. my comedy is informed by an ideological background. the embarrassment is i'm given credibility in this world because the disappointment the public has with what the news media does. >> do you think that jay carney was saying that in order to tweak at you? >> i think he believes it. he said it three or four times. i think they believe inside the white house, they were trying to reach young voters and jon stewart has those young viewers, and we ask him a lot of process, horse race questions when we do interviews and he gets better questions. i went through the jon stewart transcript, one of them how many times a week does biden show up

a wet swim suit in a meeting? >> those are tough questions? >> not that tough. in fairness to jon stewart. he asked about nsa surveillance, the economy, and housing. he asked about benghazi, several questions, and that was the sound bite from the jon stewart interview that produced the sound bite from the president saying four americans get killed, it's not optimal. that kind of blew up on the president. >> ed, welcome "the five." one of reasons that you are here you don't have anything else to do, down at the white house, you can't get an interview. >> you guys don't do anything in new york. this has been the easiest week. >> i think jon stewart probably does ask some appropriate questions, but these other interviews, let's face it, it is horse race questions. it is about polls. it's not about -- i mean, they

don't give them much substance. >> i think what you are trying to get at, is for jay carney to say that jon stewart was the toughest substantive interview, it makes you suggest that some of the interviews the president are not that tough. >> they are going to get ready for their next interview, someone is going to wind up and hit them between the eyes. >> let me tell you, he had 20 minutes with the president, two 10-minute segments. what he meant to say lame stream, mainstream media, whoever sits there, the cbs, they are big, fat, and soft, you can see them coming. bill o'reilly asked him tough questions. bret baier every other year gets to ask him tough questions. that was more of a shot at the main street media. >> he was not really that challenged and they wanted to build up sort of these

nontraditional forms of media and by the way, i think to take another curveball into this is that the president is entitled to do interviews "the daily show" every once in a while. there are a lot of different ways people get news and reach people. but to suggest that's the most substantive toughest interview, either we're -- in general we're not being tough enough. >> i went on "the daily show, but the president never did. >> you went on "the daily show. >> i think bret baier's interview that he did with the president was one of the best because it was noticeably. he was agitated. you can tell the president has a tough interviewer, he got so thin skinned, it was so difficult for bret to get the answers to the question. how can, ed, you've spoken up

about the lack of transparency at this white house, but you were very vocal about it when they wouldn't let the press corps take pictures of the golf game. how can they take -- bob woodward came out, they tried to make him sound like a cry baby. then you see the surveillance of james rosen, and then the associated press. how can they get away with it? whose fault is it, the mainstream media or the white house for being so insue lar? >> i don't think that everything you are driving at goes right to the heart of the story. >> it's unprecedented, isn't it? >> your point though, the way i would answer is is something else that jay carney did take a little shot at fox yesterday, just to say it's fox that's coming out of the president.

it was jill a bramson, the executive editor of the "new york times" said it was the most secretive that she's ever covered. >> if we want to get an interview with fox, if boling has to get an interview, i think he would get one right away. >> i can't get jay carney. very something -- that first press that president obama had a year, he didn't ask anyone a question in the front row. he went to politico. >> this was the first full-fledged press conference at the white house, you are right. i think some of the folks in the front row had their crack at him recently. he thought he would mix it up and i think he thought he would

get a better selection of questions. he got questions about immigration. he got a health care question or two that might have been a little easier for him. >> you are being so nice. >> i'm going back to the -- >> if that's a white house reporter or what? >> this is the toughest, most substantive interview i've ever given. >> this is where you have to shout out. you don't stand on the front lawn of the white house -- >> i think it's really interesting how he's talking about the administration is the most transparent administration in history at the same time that you have the rnc suing the irs for documents saying hand over documents related to the targeting of conservative groups and i'm curious your opinion. i mean, is this a total lack of self-awareness from the administration or do they just think people are dumb and aren't following the news? >> if you are going to frame it that way with the rnc, obviously the rnc is trying to make a political point trying to get

these documents. oerneds -- on the other hand whether it's irs or fast and furious, there's some documents that have been turned over and more that haven't been turned over. i think when the rnc is filing lawsuits -- >> it's an odd parallel. we are so transparent but we can't -- >> i'm just curious about this. in washington, white house reporters have sort of disparity weight. do you think that citizens are being disserved by journalists that are not covering everything that's happening all the cabinet agencies, because we're focusing on one press conference every day? >> take one agency, the veterans affairs administration. they have got paperwork piled up literally in warehouses for people who want to get their veterans benefits and that's a question we should be asking the white house briefing every week. saying how are we doing on the

backlog. these are people who served our country and they are waiting for their benefits. it's fundamental fairness. >> what about it? why don't you ask the question? >> i'm going to ask the question next week. >> jay carney has been warned. the question is coming. >> if you didn't take a stand on it, do you think their manipulative? do you agree the white house -- >> i think she said secretive, not manipulative. every white house is manipulative -- you talk about thin skinned before. dana used to come after me before. there's a photo of her staring me down. this is a tough cookie here. >> are you taking lessons from beckle at changing the subject? >> here's what everyone wants to find out. if you meet jay carney at a bar and grill, will you have a drink

together? >> yeah. >> let me ask you, will he buy us a drink? >> no. beckle bought me lunch the other day. >> you never bought us lunch. >> next week, you are buying us lunch and then you are going to get taxed by the irs. >> some call the supporters of nevada rancher bundy domestic terrorists. next.

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is erupts. allow harry reid open his big mouth, and honest americans get slander slandered. >> these people who hold themselves out to be patriots are not. they are nothing more than domestic terrorists. we are a country that people should follow the law. what went up there is domestic terrorism. >> that asinine comment drew instant and wide ranging reaction to lawmakers. last night on hannity i sat down and spoke with cliev bundy about his thoughts and his remark. >> we're definitely citizens riled up. i don't know whether you can call them terrorists. there's the most loving people here i've ever met in my life and we're meeting here together and they are definitely upset about this government that pulls their gun on us and, you know, i

don't know, i just can't see how he gets this type of description out of these people. >> bob, here's the issue. senator reid talked about all these people. those people haven't violated any laws, but he called them terrorists too. >> i think the mistake here was forget the use of the word domestic terrorist, the mere fact that he reacts to it so much, this guy, bundy belongs in jail. he has broken the law. >> let's stay on harry reid. he's the senate majority leader who called american -- bob, those people haven't done anything wrong. they went to this down to support the bundys. he grouped them as domestic terrorists. >> i think he's talking about the militia. >> that was baloney. this week, we are marking the anniversary of the boston marathon bombing.

that's a domestic terrorist. when you have a leader of the senate watering down what is a terrorist and what are law-abiding citizens supporting someone who may be out of compliance with grazing fees, when you do, you water down the ability to deal with them. i think that was driven by a staff or poll, i believe harry reid was trying to raise some kind of funds for democrats. >> it's right out of the progressive playbook, right. go after your enemies, don't go after them with words that don't apply to them. i don't know why harry reid would go after constituents. i just don't know why you would go after people with harsher words than actual terrorists. we talk about this in the a block. why don't people speak up

against real terrorists? they have no problem calling ranchers terrorists, but radical islamists, oh, no, we can't. >> he was a little per tushed about harry reid, he was perturbed, take a listen. >> i think what we should all be calling for is for calmer heads to prevail. i don't want to see violence on either side. i don't think calling people's names is going to calm this down. i think it's liable to stir it up. i think all parties, including senator reed should calm the rhetoric a little bit, let's have a peaceful resolution to this. >> i think he's 100% right. this is something that should have been worked out in court. the federal government showed up with helicopters, tasers, they were putting people in first amendment zones. the federal government needs to be told we have a first

amendment zone in this country, it's call united states. the way the government reacted is the problem. the way they handled this was off the whale. >> you know something, they have been trying to do this through the courts with this guy for 15 years, and he refused to pay his fees on the assumption that he said his family was ranching here before the bureau of land management. the fact is why are we here and excusing -- >> i'm not excusing it. >> how can you excuse harry reid? >> you said the real issue is harry reid. it's the leader of the united states a domestic terrorist when grazing fees have been violated, nobody has been murdered. that's what domestic terrorism is, if you start watering that down. >> it was a bad choice of words. >> it wasn't just a bad choice of words. it was a decision. . a deliberate choice of words. >> there was a first amendment

right to protest in this country. you can be heard. that's all these people did. they showed up and they were protesting whatever was going on. protesting is domestic terrorism? >> harry reid is cliven bundy's senator. harry reid's job is to bring this to a resolution, to serve his constituent. this isn't his enemy. he's very powerful in nevada. why he's not doing it? next, little kids are now partying at new york's hottest night club alongside adults who are boozing it up is that really the right scene? next on "the five."

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hottest new scenes in new york city, but you don't have to be city to -- 21 to get in. ♪ a company called fuzipop is throwing raves at night clubs for kids through the ages 10 to 12. what could possibly grow wrong? could they grow up like these celebs? ♪ >> what did you say? [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> dude [ bleep ]. so raves as birthday parties for young kids, eric. would you ever combine the two? when your kids were six years

old? >> here's the deal, about two or three weeks, my son calls me up, he said i got get 20 bucks. >> i said why? >> i got to go to hyperglow. i looked it up on the internet: you go to the videos, wow. i will tell you when i was 16, i definitely would have loved to have gone to the hyperglow parties. i don't think anything -- he didn't go by the way. >> are you sure he didn't go? >> well, he didn't get 20 bucks from me. >> bob, you know new york is a little over the top and the birthday parties here are known to be over the top, is it a bad thing to have kids dancing if there's no alcohol present? >> well, if interests no -- if there's no alcohol present, i suppose it's okay. it depends on what you put up to listen to them. if you listen to that -- miley

cyrus, i think it's a bad idea. these kids are impressionable. my brother -- his daughter had eight kids over for dinner. by the time my brother came back, there were 200 people in the house. he had to get the cops to get the people out of the house. i don't think it's a good idea. >> three hour dance parties are $20 per person. it's $60 for a family. it's actually cheaper if you bring the whole gang? >> whatever happened to the local school dance at the gymnasium. i think this is for the parents. i think it's for the parents to get an knife off -- night off, the kids as young as six, seven years old, they want to go to chuck e. >> whatever happened to chuck e.

cheese? they actually have a six-year-old deejay at these parties? >> that sounds fantastic. as long as there's no height requirement, greg gutfeld -- my favorite birthday party, we had it in the backyard and we played pin the tail on the donkey. >> wasn't that your birthday party last year? >> that's how i became a republican. >> my birthday was right after the civil war. i don't even know if we had it at that point. you are talking about the gymnasium. i used to go to the teen club. that was a big deal. a lot of people brought some booze in and some other stuff -- >> kids are getting these experiences, then they have nothing to look forward to. we had a clown or a magician or a roller skating party. we worked up to the night club. what are they going to be at 17, 18, 21? >> it's actually a lot cheaper -- eric, am i right from the thing i sent you last week?

it's a lot cheaper to go to a dance party like this than to a baseball game. >> it's insane to go to like a major looeg -- league baseball it's several hundred dollars. >> all right. coming up, it's going to be quite a high holiday on easter sunday in colorado, where pot smokers will be turning out to light it up. should

♪ it's easter open sunday and while many americans will be in church on one of the holiest days of the year, others will be outside celebrating a different holiday of sorts. 4-20 has become known as national weed day for marijuana users and this year it happens to coincide with easter. should the festive its be canceled this year?

bob, i have to go to you first. should this be moved? >> the reason they won't move it because it's ingrained on the calendar. 4-20 came from the police call for people smoking dope. they are not going to change it because -- last year they had 300,000 people out there in colorado -- that was before it was legal. can you imagine what it's going to be like this sunday? >> eric, on that point, i did some research and denver hotel searches for this weekend, reports are showing jumped by 73%? does that surprise you? >> we talked a lot about this was the legalization of pot going to do for the state of colorado and it's doing what we thought it going to be. it's going to bring a lot of tourism and pump up the economy and a lot of tax revenue coming to the state. what did we say, $160 million or something, in this just short period of time alone.

weed is clearly helping the denver economy. then you run into these social issues where 4-20 happens to fall on easter sunday, what do you do? i guess what do you do, hold a mass at -- >> what? combine the two you are saying? what, joints for jesus? >> i'm a very strict catholic. >> what do we call it, joints for jesus? >> or pot and then peeps. >> prayer and pot. >> clever. >> i have to ask you because last year, some people were shot and wounded at the event. it got really out of hand. what do you think? do you think this is an event that's just too crazy in general, east era side? >> for me, yes. >> i'm just -- i go back and forth on whether i think legalization of marijuana is a good idea. i'm thinking -- i understand the experiment. i'm glad that i never was tempted to smoke pot because -- >> are you kidding me? you are one of original stoners? >> that's why i have no brain

cells left. i'm concerned about building up an economy based on getting people high. it's a little bit too risky for me. >> andrea, what do you think? also there are studies out recently when young people are smoking pot, there are brain an norlts developing in them. northwestern is -- >> exhibit a. >> who is this talking about 4-20 in college? what were you doing? >> i did not. >> you did not? i just outed you. >> you don't have a good memory from smoking pot. i think there's something wrong with smoking pot on easter subbed sunday. that's the beautiful of america, if you want to celebration the res you are -- resurrection, you

can do that. >> they can't smoke out in public, just so you guys knowing. that's what they are saying. there are going to be lots of arrests. >> there are 500,000 people. >> effort -- every good stoner

i'm not interested in this in closing the show out. my one more thing is i want to wish all my fellow christians an absolutely wonderful easter. it's the most important day on our calendar i think. also for kids, there's easter candy. now, i happen to like easter candy and i wish i can share it with you all there. i was actually eating jelly beans before i got back from the break. who like the chocolate in these are great. >> i do. >> the chocolate bunny. >> they are great. you open these things up and you get all kinds of good chocolate. >> you know that my neighbor growing up, the borne family made these. >> the best thing you open them up and they get crunchy. >> you take the ear first and you go all the way down and then

you end up eating the other side. >> the bum. >> very quickly, cashing in tomorrow morning. reverend al has president obama has been cruicified and resurrected. >> eric and i are on the same page because i was going to mention the keystone pipeline as well. the mid term elections is only six and a half months away. you heard the president yesterday really trying to push because he knows that the democrats are in trouble. more evidence of that today in politico today supporting that incumbents in the house are in trouble. five more of the senate seats are more competitive. president obama delaying on keystone once again.

>> andrea. >> philly fans do not be displayed dismayed. >> philadelphia got spanked in game one. there's more games on sunday. >> on easter sunday. >> easter sunday. go flyers. >> well, llama lovers, there's an amazing video. a llama spent hours wondering around trinidad state university. it's adorable. >> it's adorable! in wondered around, it wasn't aggressive but when police would approach it, it would run. they wound up chasing it for a really long time. a lot of the llamas wander. >> where are you going to put a llama? >> in my bedroom. >> bathe it in the bathtub. it's so cute. listen, don't forget to set

your dvr so you never miss an episode "the five." come back here monday, special, you were counting me down. special report is next. we'll post this on our facebook page. happy passover. happy easter. welcome to the special edition of "hannity" the power of fate. in honor of easter throughout the hour tonight, we'll show you some of the most powerful interviews we've done with some of the most recognizable and influential leaders and we begin with billy graham's sit down in 2005. since the ministry began, billy graham conducted crusades in 185 countries on six continents and began in 1947 in grand rapids michigan when he was just 29 years old and when i sat down with him in 2005, he performed more than 400. i joined him as he embarked on what was